So basically, I agree.

Of course different scenarios also take some consideration. That is why one of the first questions a police officer will ask “Was there any reason….” If you were rushing to the hospital because your passenger in the car was dying it makes complete sense to speed. Speed limits are determined by the public and not so much by the law.

I guess that is where the rub comes from. I feel I can make a good decision about speed and I don’t want some outside force to overstep their role. Especially some random quota.

Were the people at fault for speeding? YES! Can a fear of enforcement make me drive slower than necessary? YES!

“strawberry limeade and soft serve!?!? look out everyone, heads down, this guy could do anything!”

When do you move?

Brad

I think both of you are right…and wrong. I have learned in the past 6 – 18 months that I don’t think we should seek a universal right way of living out community. I have found that community, significance, and purpose, can be found at both ends of the spectrum. Whether you go to “church” Sunday mornings and evenings and then Wednesday nights, or if you choose to go and spend time with friends and be the church. For me the best type of “church” if you will is a combination of both. With a community working in a cell based type of structure, I feel that heart issues can come out easier than “walking down the front for prayer” (I know from personal experience). And with a more traditional structure I feel that correct and precise theology can be taught(not saying it can’t in a nontraditional but i feel that it is harder). I think that the “”BEST”" is a combination for me. A cell based church that meets ONE time and only One time a week as a corporate institution. There are many reasons why I think this works the best but I’ve already wasted abut 25 minutes on something I don’t like doing so Im gonna wrap up or maybe I should say my final point is

Personally I think a lot of community is lost in a more traditional church and people and souls get left out of the Kingdom of God because they just pass through the cracks on Sunday morning and really don’t have anybody to open up to. However I feel that it is easier to find community at a traditional church because tons of Christians are centrally located at least one a week. So its easier to find them and get connected to a community.

With a nontraditional community I feel that once found it can be life changing, but finding them is the hard part. Or maybe I should say getting invited to one. I feel that these community things can get closed off to outsiders.

To finally end with what i’m trying to say is that I think both of them can work but there are bad things about both of them. And I feel Ben is focused on the negative things of community stuff like no leadership, no structure, and no written theological statement which I know he loves.

And I feel that Dustin is focusing on the negative things that can happen at traditional churches like leaders manipulating things, and agendas being promoted and not feeling like there is much freedom.

Ok well Hopefully that makes sense,